tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6272524169407806923.post6580677573360416480..comments2024-03-04T20:04:48.815+01:00Comments on Jinxed Thoughts: Impressions of Holy in 4.0.6Zinnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14935881612077507321noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6272524169407806923.post-63626039504905373312011-03-21T20:43:25.172+01:002011-03-21T20:43:25.172+01:00Holy / Shadow priest from LONG ago, revisiting hea...Holy / Shadow priest from LONG ago, revisiting healing between 80-85 in the Cataclysm expansion. <br /><br />At 82, the Chakra system feels convoluted and I'm not quite seeing the mana return on pace with how quickly it gets spent. I get some extra crits with my heals, but things never felt adequate to cover a whole group without running OOM. Mob AoE damage in instances got bigger. More instant death mechanics since 4.0. Even the 81 trash mobs hit like a truck. Alot of extra button pushing for a 10% boost.<br /><br /> 5 man healing - I'm thinking of making a macro "USE the Effing Lightwell!!". So many melee players run past that lightwell to go stand in a pool of fire.<br /><br /> Good advice. I'll keep ya posted if the Chakra thing finally clicks for me. I still have a couple weeks before I start with Heroics and Raid content.Dischordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09785698664129170429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6272524169407806923.post-3882812264617557402011-02-15T22:30:26.140+01:002011-02-15T22:30:26.140+01:00@Asverze
My wording could probably be better regar...@Asverze<br />My wording could probably be better regarding Renew - I make it sound like it is always useless. As I point out in my post however, it is decent for point healing, but holy will only ever point heal in heroics. That is when I use it the most as well. In heroics, when we can focus on refreshing renew, it becomes a good complement to heal. Unfortunately refreshing it only makes talents like Empowered Touch useless, so again - what do Blizzard want us to do with it? Once you reach raid healing you will notice, as Solaril points out, that it is too weak to use a gcd on in most cases, and is mostly used in lack of better alternatives. It deserves better imo.<br /><br />@Solaril<br />No I haven't said much about Mastery really, I've mentioned it in passing by. I should tell you that I'm not a theorycrafter, I'm an experimenter. I try different stuff out, see what works and then I go check the numbers, instead of the other way around. My assessment of Mastery is:<br />For holy it feels like it really is our best rating (intellect being the only better stat). But, we do want a nice set of spirit before we go crazy on mastery because all the mastery in the world won't do us any good if we oom too fast.<br />According to places like EJ, haste is better than mastery up to 12,5%, which is what we need for that extra tick of renew. Considering I'm no fan of renew, I haven't bothered with this tbh. I've put all my eggs in the mastery basket!<br />Holy = Int-Spirit-Mastery-Haste-Crit<br /><br />The mastery for disc isn't as good as holy, but it is still good. But we also benefit alot from crit (due to Divine Aegis), and we of course want spirit too. Since I go with the same gear for holy and disc (which works alot better now than it did in wrath) I will have alot of mastery as disc too. It works very well. I wouldn't tell you that it's a -must have- stat however, as disc you really should go for both mastery, haste and crit or as EJ puts it "Keep a balance to your other secondary stats. None of them are great, but they synergistically increase each other's values."<br />Disc = Int-Spirit-Mastery/Haste/Crit<br /><br />And again, spirit is only better as long as you feel like you have mana issues.<br /><br />I agree there are no good alternatives to SoM, but I definitely feel like both Blessed Resilience and Spirit of Redemption are more useful. I don't use GS much either, but remember it boosts all healing to the target with 40%. It should really be used any time the tank is taking alot of damage, even if you don't expect him to die. It is a great healing tool for just one talent point.Zinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14935881612077507321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6272524169407806923.post-87240391804210699422011-02-15T18:32:38.740+01:002011-02-15T18:32:38.740+01:00I use Renew myself in 5 man runs, but in raiding t...I use Renew myself in 5 man runs, but in raiding the damage done is more than a renew can help on its own. Since raid damage is likely to occur more often than the time needed for a renew to actually cycle through all of its ticks,renew is not efefctive enough to burn the GCD nor actually use the mana on. If you are moving and CoH is on CD as as Z mentioned then yes throw it out, but its not a spell to rely on. <br /><br />I have noticed that on many fights the lightwell is one of the higher ranked heals on recount. Way to go DPS! <br /><br />Z, I have would like to know how you rand Mastery. I may have missed a prior post on it and if I did I am sorry. I noticed on your runs posted here that EoL ranks high fro you in healing, even 2nd on one of the runs. I find mine to generally range in the top top at all times and at times is 3rd as most healing done. Do you know of a numbe rthat is a "goal" to reach for mastery? I am currently running with about 16%, maybe a little more, what number should I be stacking for?<br /><br />As for SoM and its points, the problem is finding something useful to put them into. I dont shield so BaS doesnt help my play style, nor does it actually help with healing. The problem I see with Holy, and probably other classes may have same issue, there are just not that many talents that good alternatives. There are the "must have talents" then you basically are filling points to just get out of your tree. I have maybe popped GS twice, and without the old glyph its a lack luster talent in my book. <br /><br />I currently still have the SoM just for the occasional mess up on my part of dropping a PoM without thinking about it and accidently going into Sanc, which is really sad in my book, high cost, and becomes less and less effective if mreo ppl are in it. Straneg they would make a spell become less effective the more ppl can use it. That coupled with the fact that it has a small area makes me throw my hands up in frustration. Its only viable to use efefctively in a 5 man run if its a stand still fight.<br /><br />Oh well, I have hit you hard enough with this wall of text, hope nobody got hurt when it fell on them.<br /><br />SolarilAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6272524169407806923.post-68340195011929272452011-02-15T10:43:20.755+01:002011-02-15T10:43:20.755+01:00I’m just a 5-man healer now, still working to get ...I’m just a 5-man healer now, still working to get raid ready, but the changes for Holy ain’t that significant indeed.<br />The nerf in Mana Regen is for me the most significant (about -10% Combat Regen for me), so I’ve to watch my pool a bit more closely now.<br />I don’t get why Holies seems to throw Renew aside, I don’t see a viable subsitude though. Maybe because I’m still only a 5-man healer = tank healer, but I use Renew a lot, rolling on the tank and to replenish DPS. Chakra Serenity, which I’m almost contantly in, for the refreshing and the extra tick out of Haste makes it quite efficient imo. I only use AoE heals when the whole group takes damage. Switch to Chakra Sanctuary more often now when AoE heals are needed, because of the lowered Regen.<br />Although the duration of Chakra is increased to 1 min, I miss the refreshing out of SoM a bit. In longer fights I’ve to reactive it iso it get refreshed constantly by Heal. Also I’m looking for a more useful use of the SoM points now. 6 sec shorter CD on Chakra ain’t that useful in instances.Asverzehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04670122631726656917noreply@blogger.com