tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6272524169407806923.post8458673256821820255..comments2024-03-04T20:04:48.815+01:00Comments on Jinxed Thoughts: Star Trek V: The Final Frontier - ReviewZinnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14935881612077507321noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6272524169407806923.post-65427914958552558032019-06-25T20:17:00.059+02:002019-06-25T20:17:00.059+02:00And then the effects are not even good… it's t...And then the effects are not even good… it's that phase when they started to be able to use CGI but it just wasn't good looking but they burnt all their money on that anyway.Zinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14935881612077507321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6272524169407806923.post-71445314800774196142019-06-25T20:15:49.481+02:002019-06-25T20:15:49.481+02:00Those were some nice pointers/anecdotes, thanks a ...Those were some nice pointers/anecdotes, thanks a lot for them! I think you hit it home with your wrap up - they went with laughs instead of dignity. The "problem" about the movie format is that in the series they can alternate between the silly and more serious stories (although I feel like The Voyage Home showed that these do not need to be mutually exclusive). I do like the silliness of Star Trek and for instance feel like Discovery has, so far at least, had way too little of it and comes off with the feeling of taking itself too seriously instead. Maybe this is some of the critique that TMP got as well, but as you know I disagree with those opinions. <br /><br />I know this movie had a very troubled production, but so did almost every ST movie more or less. This probably a lot more than the others, either the end result definitely hints at that being part of a the issue.<br /><br />I find that Shatners core idea here isn't all bad and in line with some of the TOS series episodes. But like I repeat a lot in the review, nothing feels well realized or like it comes to fruition. There isn't a pay off to anything that happens in the movie really. But at least it is somewhat-entertaining-bad and not completely-forgettable-bad like I find The Search For Spock to be. But yes, the final quote says a lot about what the thought behind the movie was.Zinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14935881612077507321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6272524169407806923.post-46351907138833014232019-06-23T10:34:13.576+02:002019-06-23T10:34:13.576+02:00Yeah, it's not a good movie, and from what I&#...Yeah, it's not a good movie, and from what I'd heard when I saw it back in the theater, they spent so much money on special effects that they had to cut the budget everywhere else. And boy, does it show.Redbeardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05306063084983025771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6272524169407806923.post-5275403411732306412019-06-22T00:24:54.623+02:002019-06-22T00:24:54.623+02:00(con't)
* David Warner plays the Terran ambas...(con't)<br /><br />* David Warner plays the Terran ambassador in this movie. You may recognize him as the Klingon Chancellor in the next movie. The guy that played the Klingon ambassador went on to play Kim'Pek in TNG later on (I think that was the arc where Worf was accused of treason to the Empire).<br /><br />* Random Klingon Bird of Prey was required as a rescue vehicle later on. That's its entire purpose in this movie.<br /><br />* The escape from Nimbus features Sulu at his best. "Actually, this is my first attempt." Too bad the special effects weren't up to that line. Takei actually declined to do this movie because he didn't want to be directed by Shatner. Shatner reached out to him and talked him into it. He grudgingly admitted later that Shatner was a pretty good director.<br /><br />* I've always read "I don't want my pain taken away! I need my pain!" to be a commentary on how we are the sum of our past trials - learning by failing, that sort of thing. I think it says a lot about what it means to be Human.<br /><br />* Yeah, the flashbacks were pretty awkwards. Let's not go into how Spock would have any memory or awareness of his own birth.<br /><br />* The whole God scene has one of my favorite lines of the movie: "Why does God need a Starship?"<br /><br />* I've always figured Sybock was sensing some sort of divine mind meld.<br /><br />* By the way, the third episode of Star Trek (Where No Man has Gone Before) tells us that the Great Barrier is at the edge of the galaxy, a notion later reinforced in the 2nd season episode, By Any Other Name. A lot of angst was to be had by Trekkies when they said that The Great Barrier was a the center of the Galaxy. Something that even then we knew was complete bullshit.<br /><br />* I find it interesting that you call back to TMP for its magesty etc when compared to this one. If there's anything we lost in the progression of ST movies, that would wrap it right up. WoK had a certain "dignity" to it but after that we went for laughs instead of dignity. At least how I see it. Don't get me wrong, I like ST IV, but it's more a dramedy than a drama. <br /><br />So let me bookend this with my feelings on what the "message" of the movie was. I've had years and repeated viewings to come to this conclusion. I feel that the big thing they were on about here was the kinship of the Bit Three, or, as a lot of fans called them, The Triumvirate. "I lost a brother once," Kirk muses. "I was lucky. I got him back." He's not going on about Sam Kirk. He's talking about Spock, who "gets" it. <br /><br />THESE THREE GUYS ... are brothers of the heart. A lot of ST novelists have made a big deal about this relationship (Looking at you, Marshak and Culbreath) and this movie writes that concept in the large. "You were never alone", Spock tells Kirk, which is true. And those words kind of haunt us in First Contact, don't they?<br /><br /><br />Grimmtoothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14384688484347073287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6272524169407806923.post-77233771714156894712019-06-22T00:24:00.295+02:002019-06-22T00:24:00.295+02:00Well, first of all, I won't disagree - this wa...Well, first of all, I won't disagree - this was a bad movie. A lot of people went so far as to call the next one "ST IV: The Apology". And yet, in repeated viewings (usually when extremely bored), there are a few things that are endearing.<br /><br />I want to jump in on the "Kirk & Co. get things to do" bit, first of all. While it's true that they had things to do, some of them were truly cringe-worthy for long-time fans; such as Scotty's monologue just before he clocked himself. The movie was full of stuff like that.<br /><br />But moving along.<br /><br />* Did you know that Shatner was afraid of heights? Considering that he directed, one can only imagine the level of projection involved here. Also:<br /><br />https://youtu.be/tkBVDh7my9Q<br /><br />* What is up with the story? Well, there was a writer's strike, as well as a Teamster's Union strike during the production of this movie. Because of that, the entire ending was revamped.<br /><br />I say that, but, honestly, no ending could have saved the rest of this movie, I think you'll agree.<br /><br />* Shatner was 60, but also in the midst of his T.J. Hooker series. So much jumping and running about. In fact, DeForest Kelley was quite happy with the level of activity in this movie. He felt he had been passed by for this kind of stuff because of his age, and was grateful for the chance to spread his wings, as it were.<br /><br />* I just figure any civilization that can make starships that acceperate to lightspeed within a few seconds will be able to handle rocket boots. But boy howdy they're lame.<br /><br />* Shatner wrote the main story. Bennett was brought in by Shatner to help edit the film down after Paramount rejected the 2-hour original cut. Yes, it could have been longer. Bennett's original cut horrified Shatner, but they worked things out. That's also how they got Bennett in the first place. Nimoy had made him feel pretty damned unappreciated, so he was DONE with ST movies. Shatner swung for the bleachers and won him over.<br /><br />* CBS, which had the TV rights for this movie, edited the three-breasted cat chick out.<br /><br />(TBD)Grimmtoothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14384688484347073287noreply@blogger.com